{"id":1704,"date":"2010-10-14T23:37:38","date_gmt":"2010-10-14T23:37:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/2018\/11\/27\/895-revision-v1\/"},"modified":"2019-08-25T03:32:18","modified_gmt":"2019-08-25T03:32:18","slug":"anaximander-and-the-beginnings-of-greek-philosophy-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/2010\/10\/14\/anaximander-and-the-beginnings-of-greek-philosophy-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Anaximander and the beginnings of Greek philosophy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a class=\"populated\" title=\"Aristotle\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Aristotle\">History<\/a>\u00a0has recorded Anaximander as one of the first of the\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Ancient Greece\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Ancient+Greece\">Ancient Greek<\/a>\u00a0philosophers, preceded only by his teacher\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Thales\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Thales\">Thales<\/a>. Anaximander lived around 2600 years ago, in the large\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Ionia\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Ionia\">Ionian<\/a>\u00a0city of\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Miletus\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Miletus\">Miletus<\/a>, which can be found on the West coast of modern day Turkey. Anaximander is famous, together with his teacher Thales and his own student\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Anaximenes\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Anaximenes\">Anaximenes<\/a>\u00a0for being the first Greeks to begin a\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Milesian school\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Milesian+school\">tradition of philosophy<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h4>Philosophy as explanation<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Although this idea of a philosophical\u00a0<i>tradition<\/i>\u00a0is vital for appreciating those first\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Presocratic Greek Philosophers\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Presocratic+Greek+Philosophers\">philosophers<\/a>, it is far from clear what exactly it entails. To put it another way: why do we call Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes &#8220;the first philosophers&#8221;? And what exactly did they invent and discover? The\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"tautology\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/tautology\">knee-jerk response<\/a>\u00a0is to say that they obviously were the first people to discuss those ideas which eventually became known as philosophy. It follows that those things they began to discuss would later become subsumed under the heading of philosophy as understood by philosophy giants like\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Plato\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Plato\">Plato<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Aristotle\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Aristotle\">Aristotle<\/a>. What sorts of things did they discuss?\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Thales\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Thales?author_id=2024845#cpt_ahab\">Thales<\/a>\u00a0introduced the problem of matter &#8211; at the most basic level, what is everything made of? &#8211; which he answered by saying that everything is water. Anaximander in a similar vein said that everything is made out of an undifferentiated substance called\u00a0<i><a class=\"populated\" title=\"apeiron\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/apeiron\">apeiron<\/a><\/i>\u00a0(Greek for boundless), and later Anaximenes would say that everything is made of air.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">And if we stop there we end up with a nice simple story. But the\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Socrates\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Socrates\">quarrelsome among us<\/a>\u00a0might then ask for some clarification. Didn&#8217;t some of the Greeks before Thales and Anaximander also explain what matter was? Weren&#8217;t there\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Theogony\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Theogony\">myths<\/a>\u00a0that similarly aimed to explain the world?<\/p>\n<h4>Philosophy as argument<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">One popular, and apparently successful explanation for the beginning of philosophy has been to point out that Thales and colleagues were the first to offer\u00a0<i>rationalized<\/i>\u00a0defenses for their explanations. So while myths had provided explanations for the various phenomenon of the world, they did not explain their own rationale. Mythology could certainly be rationalized &#8211; stories could be given natural explanations or could be interpreted non-literally &#8211; but they did not themselves provide any such arguments.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Generally what we mean by argument is some idea that is defended. So when Anaximander said that the Earth is suspended in air, he appears to be making a statement is that is both\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"brilliant\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/brilliant\">unintuitive<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"genius\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/genius\">absurd<\/a>.\u00a0<i>However<\/i>\u00a0what makes Anaximander&#8217;s statement about the Earth\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"unintuitive\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/unintuitive\">brilliant<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"absurd\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/absurd\">genius<\/a>\u00a0is precisely his ability and willingness to provide it with an argument: the Earth remains\u00a0<i>in the same place because of its indifference<\/i>, because it exists equidistant (at equal length) from everything else (presumably because it is in the very center of the cosmos) and so has no more\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"gravity\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/gravity\">reason<\/a>\u00a0to go fall in one direction than another.<\/p>\n<h4>Philosophy as criticism<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">So why call this &#8220;<i>Anaximander<\/i>\u00a0and the beginnings of Greek philosophy&#8221;? Shouldn&#8217;t it be &#8220;<i>Thales<\/i>\u00a0and the beginnings of Greek philosophy&#8221; instead, since it was Thales who provided the first rational explanations?\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Yes and no\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Yes+and+no\">Yes and no<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">If there was one particular characteristic which could be held responsible for the amazing heterogeneity of philosophical opinions in ancient Greece it would have to be their forming a tradition of criticism. So suggests the twentieth century philosopher Karl Popper<a href=\"#_ftn1\" name=\"_ftnref1\"><sup>[1]<\/sup><\/a>. Although it is often mentioned that Anaximander&#8217;s ideas on matter were a response to the ideas put forward by his teacher Thales, it is never expressed with any surprise.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">It is because the idea of independent thinking is\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Hollywood\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Hollywood\">parroted<\/a>\u00a0so often by modern society that we don&#8217;t find this surprising. What happened is worth re-stating: Thales was the first person to prominently offer an alternative to the\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Homer\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Homer\">traditional<\/a>\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Hesiod\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Hesiod\">myths<\/a>. Instead of talking about titans and\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Zeus\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Zeus\">horny gods<\/a>\u00a0he talked about the material composition of the world and considered how that in turn was responsible for the world as we know it. He offered the first theory of matter, that everything is water at its most basic level, and the different substances we see are actually different transformations of water. This was all quite incredible. Thales was fortunate enough to have a neighbor who found his theorizing interesting and whom he took on as a student. This was of course Anaximander. Anaximander learned everything he could from his teacher, from the very first great philosopher, and then instead of repeating Thales&#8217; ideas and trying to\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Meme\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Meme\">spread them<\/a>\u00a0as far as possible he made up his own ideas! He analyzed Thales&#8217; ideas, considered what phenomenon they were useful for explaining and which parts of the theory were problematic and then went on to form his own theory of matter. That Anaximander&#8217;s theory of matter feels like it should have been written a couple of centuries later is a testimony to his ability to draw on previous teachings without dogmatizing them, and then redevelop them.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The greatest achievement of the Milesian philosophers was to develop a tradition of criticism. Anaximander studied the ideas of the first philosopher and then improved them in accord with their limitations. Anaximander had his own student who too used his teacher&#8217;s ideas only insofar as to improve upon them. We will never know precisely who was responsible for this tradition. What we can and should say is that Anaximander was the first philosopher to form an intellectual link built upon criticism.\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Science\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Science\">This<\/a>\u00a0is his legacy.<\/p>\n<p><b>References:<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><i><a class=\"populated\" title=\"A History of Greek Philosophy\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/A+History+of+Greek+Philosophy\">A History of Greek Philosophy<\/a>\u00a0Volume I: The Earlier Presocratics and the Pythagoreans\u00a0by\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"W.K.C. Guthrie\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/W.K.C.+Guthrie\">W.K.C. Guthrie<\/a><\/i><\/li>\n<li><i><a class=\"populated\" title=\"The World of Parmenides\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/The+World+of+Parmenides\">The World of Parmenides<\/a><\/i>\u00a0by\u00a0<a class=\"populated\" title=\"Karl Popper\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Karl+Popper\">Karl Popper<\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\"><i><a class=\"populated\" title=\"Anaximander and the Architects\" href=\"https:\/\/everything2.com\/title\/Anaximander+and+the+Architects\">Anaximander and the Architects<\/a>: The Contributions of Egyptian and Greek Architectural Technologies to the Origins of Greek Philosophy<\/i>\u00a0by Robert Hahn<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"su-divider su-divider-style-default\" style=\"margin:15px 0;border-width:2px;border-color:#2341f8\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"#_ftnref1\" name=\"_ftn1\"><sup>[1]<\/sup><\/a> I&#8217;ve written the above in order to try and communicate the significance of Anaximander to the beginnings of Greek philosophy. For this reason, I haven&#8217;t really provided a proper summary of his ideas. I should also note that the narrative I offer here &#8211; of the different ways of interpreting the beginnings of philosophy &#8211; is by no means the only one, and was selected precisely because it highlights Anaximander&#8217;s importance. In Hahn&#8217;s book (listed below) he suggests that there have been three avenues for explaining the incredible beginnings of Greek philosophy: (1) as an achievement of rationality over the senses (this is the favoured explanation of Plato and Aristotle); (2) as an introduction of rationalized explanations that contrast with mythical explanations (this is the most traditional modern explanation); and (3) as an outcome of technological and sociological transitions which were occurring at that time (this is the explanation favoured by Hahn). The importance of criticism is taken directly from Popper, as indicated in the text.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>History\u00a0has recorded Anaximander as one of the first of the\u00a0Ancient Greek\u00a0philosophers, preceded only by his teacher\u00a0Thales. Anaximander lived around 2600 years ago, in the large\u00a0Ionian\u00a0city of\u00a0Miletus, which can be found on the West coast of modern day Turkey. Anaximander is famous, together with his teacher Thales and his own student\u00a0Anaximenes\u00a0for being the first Greeks to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[159,297,303,103,204,20],"tags":[],"metadata":[158],"class_list":["post-1704","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-all-posts","category-anaximander","category-ancientgreek","category-essay","category-everything2","category-philosophy","metadata-shai_footnotes"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1689,"url":"https:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/2010\/09\/30\/the-story-of-thales-2\/","url_meta":{"origin":1704,"position":0},"title":"The story of Thales","author":"Pala","date":"September 30, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"Editorial notes: In September 2010, Shai begins the first phase of his intellectual journey with an\u00a0essay\u00a0dedicated to the Greek mathematician, astronomer and pre-Socratic philosopher, Thales of Miletus. This the first of\u00a080 essays, written between September 2010 and July 2015, dedicated to analysing the thoughts and writings of the great ancient\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;All Posts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"All Posts","link":"https:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/all-posts\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1710,"url":"https:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/2010\/11\/06\/ancient-greek-philosophy-2\/","url_meta":{"origin":1704,"position":1},"title":"Ancient Greek Philosophy","author":"Pala","date":"November 6, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"What is\u00a0this?\u00a0It's an index of sorts, linking to\u00a0nodes\u00a0that relate to\u00a0philosophy\u00a0in\u00a0Ancient Greece. See also the first footnote below[1]. 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This proves to be the ideal tool for him to better control his ever-growing research notes, stored primarily up to this point, in handwritten notebooks and\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;All Posts&quot;","block_context":{"text":"All Posts","link":"https:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/all-posts\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1708,"url":"https:\/\/thetravellerslastjourney.com\/shai\/2010\/10\/18\/speusippus-2\/","url_meta":{"origin":1704,"position":3},"title":"Speusippus","author":"Pala","date":"October 18, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"I recommend reading the first footnote before starting It started with\u00a0Plato, but it didn't end there[1]. This fact isn't often discussed. Plato lived in\u00a0Athens\u00a0in\u00a0Ancient Greece\u00a0about 2400 years ago. 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